#129 – Eneko Garrido on How WordPress Transformed His Life – WP Tavern

[00:00:00] Nathan Wrigley: Welcome to the Jukebox podcast from WP Tavern. My title is Nathan Wrigley.

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So on the podcast in the present day, we’ve got Eneko Garrido. Eneko is a full stack developer who has made

important contributions to the WordPress neighborhood since attending his first WordCamp in 2019. Eneko’s journey with WordPress started when he attended WordCamp Bilbao throughout a difficult time in his life, marked by anxiousness and despair. This pivotal expertise, not solely reworked his profession, but in addition enriched his private life. Main him to develop into a passionate contributor and advocate for the WordPress neighborhood.

We begin off by discussing Eneko’s preliminary encounter with WordCamp Bilbao, the place he felt a profound sense of belonging, and help from the colourful WordPress neighborhood. Regardless of his preliminary hesitations, Eneko was drawn to the inclusive and welcoming setting, which motivated him to take part extra actively in future WordCamps.

Eneko goes on to share how his function as a polyglot contributor for the Basque locale has been a constant supply of pleasure and function. His dedication to translating WordPress into Basque has not solely helped the neighborhood, but in addition deepened his connection to his cultural heritage.

We get into the impression that phrase course of had on Eneko’s life, from opening new profession alternatives to fostering lasting friendships. Eneko credit the WordPress neighborhood with offering him with a supportive community that has helped him navigate varied challenges, together with his autism analysis in 2021.

In the direction of the top of the podcast we focus on Eneko’s preparations for delivering a chat at WordCamp Europe, a testomony to his development and confidence since this primary WordCamp expertise. Regardless of the daunting prospect of chatting with a big viewers, Eneko stays resolute and grateful for the supportive neighborhood that has been instrumental in his journey.

Should you’re thinking about listening to a heartfelt story concerning the life-changing potential of the WordPress neighborhood, this episode is for you.

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And so with out additional delay, I carry you Eneko Garrido.

I’m joined on the podcast by Eneko Garrido. How are you doing?

[00:03:38] Eneko Garrido: I’m superb. I’m right here in Torino in the present day, and we’re having fun with WordCamp Europe collectively.

[00:03:43] Nathan Wrigley: Have you ever been to any WordCamps earlier than?

[00:03:46] Eneko Garrido: Sure. WordCamps, sure, however that is my first WordCamp Europe. My first WordCamp was in 2019, that was WordCamp Bilbao. And since then, I attempted to go to any WordCamp that I might. At this time I’m right here because of Yoast, as a result of Yoast fund me with the range fund.

[00:04:04] Nathan Wrigley: Oh, good. I didn’t know that, however that’s very nice to know.

The WordPress neighborhood in Spain, by all accounts, is actually robust in the meanwhile. I do know that quite a lot of nations have gone right into a state of decline, actually. Actually within the UK, quite a lot of the occasions that had been occurring, 2019 was the final time they occurred, after which Covid got here and it didn’t actually come again. However my understanding is that in Spain, it’s nonetheless a really vibrant neighborhood.

Now, you talked about WordCamp in Bilbao. That’s going to be the primary factor that we’re going to speak about in the present day, since you’re doing an intriguing discuss at WordCamp Europe. However earlier than we get into that, will you simply inform us somewhat bit about you. Steer clear of the WordCamp Bilbao factor, however simply inform us what you do each day. What’s your relationship with WordPress?

[00:04:46] Eneko Garrido: Okay, so I’m a full stack developer. I’ve been working for the Renfe Group as a full stack developer. The Renfe Group is the Spanish railway firm, the Spanish state owned railway firm. These days, I’m not working as a result of I left that job, and I dwell in Bilbao. So I’m at present looking for new alternatives.

[00:05:08] Nathan Wrigley: Nicely, thanks for telling us all about that. So to start with, I’m simply going to learn off my piece of paper in entrance of me, about what the topic goes to be. And simply to let you already know, expensive listener, I typically undergo the WordCamp presentation titles, and I discover ones that I feel are going to be of curiosity to the listeners to this podcast, and I picked Eneko’s one, and let’s see how this dialog goes.

Usually I write down a complete ton of questions, and I do know kind of what I’m going to ask. However on this case, it’s going to be extra of a dialog. We’ll see the place it goes. And it goes like this. So the podcast dialogue topic, how the WordPress neighborhood modified my life: how becoming a member of the neighborhood after having a nasty lifetime modified the best way to see the world. And it feels like, in some unspecified time in the future previously, you had been having a troublesome time. And then you definately found that there was a factor known as WordCamp Bilbao, you attended, and in your individual phrases, the neighborhood modified your life. So let’s return, rewind the clock, inform us the story.

[00:06:09] Eneko Garrido: So in 2019 I used to be ending my obligatory research in Spain. I used to be 16 yr outdated little person who was merely making an attempt to complete the research, and due to some form of despair, anxiousness, I needed to depart the school. I repeated that course okay. Then I used to be at residence, and I seen on the WordPress dashboard of my very own web site that I run, that one occasion was close to me, that was WordCamp Bilbao.

At that second, I used to be residing in Pamplona, town that I’ve born on. I seen WordCamp Bilbao, and I believed, what is that this? I requested my dad and mom, they usually seemed me like, the place are you going? They mentioned to me, do no matter you need. As you aren’t going lessons and you might be all day in mattress, you’ll be able to take the bus, go to the grandfather’s home that’s in Bilbao, it’s the place that I’m at present residing, and go to that WordCamp.

The primary day of that WordCamp was somewhat bit unusual, as a result of was in a maritime museum. I didn’t went there in my life. There was three tracks. One which was introduced as primary. The opposite one was as superior, and the opposite one was, I don’t know what was introduced like. It was somewhat bit unusual as a result of I used to be there alone, didn’t know something and anybody.

The day handed with some few issues that I bear in mind. The person who was right here seated, Fernando Tellado, he wasn’t going to that particular WordCamp, and that was somewhat unusual factor, as a result of Fernando Tellado has usually goes to each WordCamp in Spain, and I didn’t know who was Fernando Tellado. And I bear in mind the second that somebody went to the stage and mentioned, now we’re going to name Fernando Tellado by telephone, as a result of Fernando Tellado will not be right here. We’re going to name him, and discuss with him in a second. And was like, however who’s Fernando Tellado? And in a while I found who was Fernando Tellado, after which I perceive every thing.

I bear in mind the second after I related actually with the neighborhood. Was a second on the contributor day. On the contributor day, I didn’t know neither what it was. In Bilbao 2019, the contributor day was on the Sunday, okay? So the talks had been on Saturday, and the contributor in the present day on Sunday. As a result of in Spain, usually we do like that. Right here in Torino has been the opposite approach. Going to the contributor day, didn’t know what that was, with my laptop on the backpack.

I’ve seen that was like some tables, with some subjects like neighborhood, core, polyglots, design, all form of issues like that. And I select the polyglots desk. That was my first contributor day desk. After which on the contributor day desk, I met Luis Rull, that can also be from the Spanish neighborhood. He’s a neighborhood supervisor of Spanish from Spain. He taught me to translate WordPress. And since then, each month I contribute to the WordPress translations.

I keep in mind that he took a photograph, and revealed it on Twitter, and mentioned, right here is Eneko Garrido, 16 yr outdated particular person that could be a few months older than WordPress, and he’s right here contributing to WordPress. And I keep in mind that he talked about to Matt. And that second, I used to be like, who’s Matt? In order that was my first WordCamp expertise. Till the contributor day, I didn’t community with anybody actually.

So that’s one factor that I mentioned, all of the WordCamps, it should be obligatory to go to contributor day, particularly for the brand new individuals on the neighborhood, on the brand new individuals that’s the first WordPress occasion. They need to be on the contributor day, as a result of it’s the day the place individuals is speaking, is doing networking. It’s not like in that hour I’ve to be on that room, as a result of right here talks, I don’t know. Francisco Torres, who’s a really plugin man, who’s going to speak concerning the plugins crew. I don’t know, I feel that the contributor day ought to be obligatory for the primary time individuals on WordPress occasion.

[00:10:36] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, it’s sort of attention-grabbing. So the occasion that we’re at now’s three days lengthy. The primary occasion is 2 days lengthy, after which there’s contributor day at the start. And precisely as you mentioned, it’s the sooner or later the place kind of everyone’s in the identical room on the identical time, they usually’re free to divert their consideration, if you happen to stroll over and have a dialog with them.

Whereas, on the opposite two days, lots of people are in conversations within the hallway, but in addition lots of people are in displays, and everyone’s obtained to be quiet, and also you’re listening to the speaker and all that. So I utterly get what you imply. The contributor day is a extremely vital factor if you wish to socialise.

Can I simply return, and it’s possible you’ll not want to reveal any of what I’m about to ask, and if you happen to don’t, that’s superb, and we’ll exclude it from the podcast. However I’m simply curious as to what was happening in your life at the moment? As a result of I wish to get to some extent the place we see the distinction between then and now. As a result of it seems like that’s the story, the distinction of what you had been like as that 16 yr outdated, spending time in the home. It sounds from what you had been saying that you just didn’t rise up, and didn’t have quite a lot of motivation, or curiosity and what have you ever. Are you prepared to inform us what was happening? You don’t have to present us every thing. You don’t have to present us something, however in case you are prepared, then please be happy.

[00:11:49] Eneko Garrido: At the moment, I used to be, as I mentioned, ending the research. By all my life, virtually, I’ve suffered from bullying on the college. So going to highschool was, each day was, making more durable for me. At the moment I used to be having anxiousness points, some anxiousness assaults at school. I needed to stop from lessons in the midst of the reasons of the trainer. And that was additionally due to my autism. I’m autistic, and till 2021 I didn’t get an official analysis. That was the time that I went to the grownup psychiatrist, as a result of the younger individuals psychiatrist of the general public Spanish system, if you happen to don’t say that you just’re autistic while you born, they don’t say till you might be 18 years outdated.

So at 2021 my psychiatrist mentioned that, and from that point I began understanding me extra, and understanding extra issues about me, like my ironies that I don’t catch. The ironies that individuals don’t catch about me. My actually worry to socialize, worry and problem additionally to socialize. And till then I didn’t perceive that a lot about me. That was in all probability why I used to be passing a nasty time, and I made a decision to go to a WordCamp that I noticed on my webpage.

[00:13:16] Nathan Wrigley: Let’s simply unpack that somewhat bit. So that you’re clearly inside WordPress, you should have an internet site or one thing at this level, as a result of you’ll be able to see the dashboard. It could be that if you happen to’re listening to this, you might have disabled this characteristic, however there’s a characteristic within the dashboard by default of WordPress, which is occasions. And it’ll geolocate, and it’ll let you know if there’s issues developing close by.

It’s textual content on a display screen. How on earth did you summon up the, let’s use the phrase braveness, to see the textual content on the display screen and suppose, yeah, that sounds prefer it could possibly be, I don’t know, enjoyable or no matter? As a result of, from every thing that you just mentioned, my creativeness goes to, you’ll see that, suppose, okay, there’s a WordCamp in Bilbao, I’m not going to that. What pushed you over the sting, as a result of that feels like an extremely huge bounce?

[00:14:03] Eneko Garrido: The factor that pushed me to the sting actually was the, not the phrase, the camp. So the half camp of the phrase WordCamp was what pushed me to the sting, as a result of feels like one thing extra attention-grabbing than meet up. Once I pay attention meet up, I say, okay, so meet up. Individuals be part of collectively, and those that know one another be part of collectively to speak about one thing, okay. However while you pay attention the WordCamp, you concentrate on the varsity camps. The camps that your dad and mom ship you on in summer time. And I mentioned, oh, that WordPress camp, oh, that should be very attention-grabbing. I might find out about it.

I clicked on WordCamp Bilbao, on the hyperlink, and that despatched me to the WordCamp Bilbao web page. And I noticed, oh, there’s a program with two days of issues. I don’t know who’s going to speak about, I don’t know, search engine optimization, or safety, or efficiency, but it surely appears very attention-grabbing this. That pushed me, and I mentioned, okay, 20 Euros, excellent. The perfect 20 Euros I’ve spent on my life actually.

[00:15:10] Nathan Wrigley: Actually outstanding. Additionally I’ve by no means heard it, you already know, the WordCamp being such a profound change there. It related in your head with, I don’t know, enjoyable, or having one thing somewhat bit totally different. So that you took your self there, you bought within the room, it was the contributor day, and I’m guessing from every thing that you just described about your relationship with being sociable, and I feel you mentioned you discover that troublesome to do.

How did you overcome that? As a result of I may think about you arriving on the venue and attending to the steps and considering, I’m simply going to go residence. So in you go. Was it a welcoming setting? Did you instantly join with individuals, or was it a way more sluggish course of? The place on the finish of it you thought, nicely, that wasn’t too dangerous, or was it, nicely, that was fabulous, or someplace in between?

[00:16:00] Eneko Garrido: The very first thing that I consider after I arrived to WordCamp Bilbao was the doorways opening, as a result of I arrived like 5 minutes earlier than the opening, so I used to be like the primary after the volunteers and organisers. I’ve seen ,the sponsors stands and I used to be like, woah, that is severe. It is a convention. Woah, there are internet hosting corporations right here. I’ve a contract with that individuals.

Was like, I don’t know, they offer me a bag, they offer me a T-shirt, they offer me some stickers. I noticed additionally the WordPress emblem with the pleasure flag on a pin. And that was like, woah, what is that this? That is very cool. And the individuals was all the time with a smile, even when there have been dangerous moments on the occasion, I don’t know, as a result of one thing broke, or one thing like that, or individuals operating as a result of they arrived late for, I don’t know, all the time with a smile.

And that was one factor that caught me the eye as a result of I believed I used to be, I’m not going to start out a dialog with anybody. I really feel like I might have carried out that, and that individuals that was on a small teams, if I began and go to any group, the group will open and take me into that group. And that was one factor that WordCamp Bilbao confirmed me about, you need to attempt to be extra open.

Additionally it’s one factor that WordPress is displaying me, that I’ve to be extra open and extra, I don’t know methods to say it, extra useful with one another, yeah. If somebody comes right here for speaking with me, it’s like, oh yeah, in all probability I curiosity him or she to speak with me about, I don’t know, WordPress, my life or, I don’t know, something, or his life. Right here at WordCamp Turin I’ve met, I don’t understand how many individuals, however these days we’ve got NFC tags that offers you the contact particulars of the individuals, and that’s superior as a result of if I don’t really feel like I wish to work together with anybody, I say, I don’t have social power, however right here you might have my contact, right here you might have my Instagram account, my X account. X account, that sounds very dangerous, my Twitter account please. I don’t know, it’s like, we might discuss tomorrow, or I don’t know, who is aware of? Within the subsequent WordCamp we might meet up.

[00:18:21] Nathan Wrigley: I feel one of many good issues about these occasions, that you just study over time is that, fairly a couple of individuals that you just meet at one occasion, will truly be on the subsequent occasion. And there’s additionally a special philosophy. So if you happen to go to an occasion, let’s say, oh, I don’t know, a networking occasion that’s obtained nothing to do with WordPress, that’s in a for-profit business, everyone’s there for the explanation of promoting you one thing, or selling one thing, and the entire setup feels totally different. Whereas at these WordCamps, most people who find themselves carrying the T-shirts saying that they’re organising the occasion, are volunteers, they’re giving up their time totally free. And it’s for the better good of this mission.

I typically speak about this, however I nonetheless can’t work it out. I don’t know what it’s about this neighborhood, but it surely appears to draw a complete bunch of good individuals. And I feel that’s one of many issues, after I first attended a WordCamp, I instantly obtained that feeling. Simply, wow, such as you mentioned, there’s smiling faces and, you already know, if you happen to wander close to them, they open up, and what have you ever. And I simply obtained the sensation, like a way more pleasant feeling, and it caught with me. So my first occasion was a WordCamp in London, and it left me with the impression, I wish to do this once more.

Did you might have that? I think about it wasn’t excellent. There are in all probability issues the place you thought, oh, that was a bit, you already know, I want that might’ve gone higher, or possibly you didn’t attend every thing that you just wished to, no matter it could be. However on the finish of that, did you come away considering, proper, that is my clan, that is my group, I’m going to go to extra of these?

[00:19:51] Eneko Garrido: Yeah, I really feel that. After WordCamp Bilbao, I really feel like, yeah, I would like extra of this. The subsequent day of the contributor day, I signed up for WordCamp Irun 2019, that was subsequent month if I don’t bear in mind. And I used to be like, woah, WordCamp Irun 2019, that additionally was a really particular WordCamp as a result of was a WordCamp the place they invented, I feel, a brand new format for the WordCamps, that was known as WordPress on the Avenue.

In order that was, sooner or later, the Friday. They put it on, place to speak on the road, on the very huge road of Irun. And there was individuals speaking there about WordPress, and there was individuals on the bars that had been in that place wanting and saying, I don’t know what’s WordPress, however I’m having fun with of this. And there was individuals of the neighborhood that I didn’t know at the moment. However I keep in mind that Joan Boluda, who could be very recognized on this WordPress world, was speaking on the road totally free.

One man that sells programs on-line was speaking about, I don’t bear in mind what, on the road. It’s a format that hasn’t been carried out once more on Irun, and I feel that could possibly be carried out once more, as a result of that attracted lots of people of Irun.

[00:21:20] Nathan Wrigley: I’ve by no means heard of that, and I feel that’s such a neat concept. Should you get the placement excellent, and I assume you’ve obtained to have it close to the venue, or what have you ever, and there are individuals passing by. Yeah, that’s actually fascinating. I genuinely haven’t heard of that earlier than.

What are the bits that you just discovered your self being drawn in the direction of locally? You clearly confirmed up at that occasion, and also you didn’t know which bits, nicely, you in all probability didn’t even know what tables there have been going to be. After that, the place have you ever discovered your self being drawn to? Is there a little bit of the neighborhood that you just get pleasure from extra, I don’t know, safety, core, or no matter?

[00:21:49] Eneko Garrido: I all the time have loved polyglots crew. I’m additionally at present a GT of the Basque locale. So I submit and I approve the adjustments on the Basque locale translations. Since then, each WordCamp, I’ve been on the Polyglots desk. In Bilbao, I handle myself in Bilbao, this yr, I managed myself the Polyglot’s desk. And we recruited new translators for Basque. As a result of Basque is a locale that could be a little bit, not very translated. Wants a really huge push.

However the factor is that, not an excessive amount of individuals know Basque. In Spain, if you happen to don’t do this in Bilbao, within the Basque nation, you’ll by no means get somebody that can translate to Basque. And I’ve been on the Core desk for my first time, and that was an excellent expertise as a result of I despatched a pull request for Gutenberg, for making the interactivity API from JavaScript to TypeScript, for making the kinds, and sort checking, and all form of issues to organize it for the 6.6 launch.

[00:23:02] Nathan Wrigley: So that you mentioned that, since Bilbao, you’ve been to kind of all of the native WordCamps. You haven’t missed something. I assume what I’m making an attempt to tease out of this episode, and we’re attending to that time now’s, has it modified your life? Do you’re feeling that, as a result of it’s so troublesome to think about, once we say WordPress, it’s software program. You obtain it from the web, and you place it on a server, and you’ve got an internet site of some variety. However it isn’t that, it’s far more than that. It’s this neighborhood, it’s a philosophy, it’s occasions.

How profound has it been? Should you had been to hint it again to that second at Bilbao, are you able to actually say that it’s WordPress, and all meaning, that has reworked issues. And, has it made your life higher? Have you ever obtained new friendships, and a greater high quality of life due to these friendships and so forth?

[00:23:50] Eneko Garrido: Yeah. If I hadn’t go to WordCamp Bilbao, I wouldn’t be right here in all probability. And likewise, in all probability, I wouldn’t have work on the place that I used to be working till a couple of months. And I wouldn’t met lots of people that is superb individuals. All individuals within the Spanish communities is superb individuals. I like them a lot.

[00:24:14] Nathan Wrigley: So that you’ve made actual friendships. As a result of you can also make quite a lot of acquaintances within the WordPress house. People who you already know, you already know their face. You may say hello to them, however you won’t, I don’t know, exit for a meal with them or one thing like that, and actually class them as associates. However you’ve managed to make these relationships actual friendships.

[00:24:29] Eneko Garrido: Yeah, I made very robust relationships. As an example, with Paco Marchante, who’s from the plugins crew, along with his girlfriend Paula Carmona. We have now a bunch, and we discuss each day. They’re like my reference in associates, and I’ve made a really robust friendship relationship with them.

[00:24:51] Nathan Wrigley: You talked about among the issues that you need to cope with. Do you discover that the best way which you could talk with your pals in WordPress, as a result of typically quite a lot of it’ll be, I don’t know, Slack channels or one thing like that, does that work higher for you? So it’s not such as you’re all the time going to be, I don’t know, assembly up in a bar, or going to a dwell occasion. Quite a lot of it would happen on text-based issues, the place you are able to do that within the consolation of your individual residence. Does that side of it make it simpler for you?

[00:25:18] Eneko Garrido: Yeah, loads. So much as a result of it’s like, in the present day I don’t wish to socialise, so I don’t look my telephone, and every thing excellent. As an alternative, if we meet on a bar, it’s like, no guys, I gained’t be going in the present day, sorry. And it’s like extra for that. I don’t meet up on the bar for that.

With WordPress, the Slack channels are like my publication for all days. I attempt to preserve myself studying each day the Making WordPress Core Slack channel, as a result of it’s like publication of WordPress, utilizing new PRs, utilizing new options, new bugs. Somebody says sooner or later, in the present day is looking day, so we’re going to meet up right here to evaluation, I don’t know, evaluation points. Typically it’s like, I don’t going to textual content as a result of I’m somewhat bit shy, however I’m going to learn you, and I’m going to observe you, and doubtless sometime I’ll say one thing.

[00:26:16] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. I imply, it actually does really feel like, the best way that individuals talk within the WordPress neighborhood, I imply, clearly there are occasions like this, the place you’ll be able to meet up individuals face-to-face and what have you ever. However it does lend itself rather well to, you are able to do it while you’re within the consolation of your individual residence, you could be sitting consuming breakfast and having these conversations. You may have your laptop computer, watching the telly on the identical time. You may actually make the setting that you just’re in actually snug, and precisely what you need, and be socialising on the identical time.

Now, every thing that you just’ve mentioned, we’re on the greatest WordCamp there’s. It’s about 3000 individuals. It’s actually huge. And also you’ve laid out this story, and but you’re going to be given a presentation right here. And to start with, how are you feeling about that? Are you feeling okay about that? Let’s simply depart it like that.

[00:26:58] Eneko Garrido: Once I arrived the primary day right here, that was on the contributor day, and I noticed the monitor one, that’s the place the place I’m going to speak, that was like, oh, yeah, it was that huge. Right here match in all probability 2000 individuals, and was like, woah. And on contributor day, after I was on the pictures crew as a volunteer, I went up on the stage to do some photographs, to do the household photograph. And I’ve seen all individuals there, I used to be like, oh, I wish to go now to a neighborhood retailer, purchase some Apple Imaginative and prescient Professional glasses, or one thing like that, that could be very new. They usually announce like, you gained’t see something from exterior, put some photos from the Alps or one thing like that, and begin doing my slides. As a result of that’s like, woah, I don’t understand how I’m going to really feel tomorrow to do that.

[00:27:53] Nathan Wrigley: I hope it goes nicely. I imply, I actually do. From every thing that you just’ve instructed me, it looks as if you’ve come on a extremely profoundly life-changing journey. Actually, it is extremely, very uncommon that I discuss to someone, and I discuss to lots of people, whose precise life has been sort of turned the wrong way up in a great way by the software program, and the neighborhood across the software program.

Most of the time we’re speaking about plugins, or themes, or code, or what have you ever. It’s deeply affecting me this story, I feel it’s actually superb. And it sounds prefer it’s permitting you to do quite a lot of issues that you just want to do. The neighborhood supporting you, serving to you, and I hope that it goes nicely tomorrow. I’m positive that it’ll be superb as a result of you already know that, even if there is likely to be giant numbers of individuals within the viewers, all of these persons are, it sounds a bit corny, however all of these persons are good individuals, they usually’re wishing you the very best. So I actually hope it goes nicely tomorrow. And I’d similar to to say thanks for sharing your story. That was actually attention-grabbing.

[00:28:51] Eneko Garrido: Thanks for you for this chance for me speaking right here, as a result of this was like, oh, somebody desires for me to speak on a podcast. I acquired an Slack message, and I used to be like, woah, what is that this? I’m dreaming or one thing like that. This solely occurs to the large talkers, to the most important audio system of WordCamps. Thanks for you, for this chance to be right here in the present day.

[00:29:16] Nathan Wrigley: You might be very, very, welcome. Thanks a lot for becoming a member of me on the podcast in the present day. Actually respect it.