#39 – Marieke Van De Rakt & Taco Verdonschot on Yoast, the Past, Present and Future – WP Tavern

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So on the podcast right this moment, we now have Marieke Van De Rakt & Taco Verdonschot. And so they’re each from Yoast search engine marketing.

I feel it’s fairly seemingly that you simply’ve heard of Yoast search engine marketing, however in case you haven’t, it’s a very fashionable WordPress search engine marketing plugin put in over 5 million occasions. They’ve been optimizing web sites for a few years and make important contributions to the WordPress venture, committing to Core, sponsoring occasions and plenty of different issues. I sat down with them each at WordCamp Europe, and we talked about a few of the current adjustments which have taken place throughout the firm.

Having labored arduous to construct and keep their firm’s repute, they determined that it was time to steer the enterprise in a brand new route by promoting it to Newfold Digital. We get into the explanations for this acquisition and the next reshuffling of the administration of the corporate. What have been the main points of that settlement? Why did they be part of forces with Newfold Digital particularly? And the way has the acquisition gone?

We additionally speak about their lengthy standing dedication to contributing again to the WordPress venture. Why have they completed this? And what advantages have they seen from this method? Why do they create so lots of their crew to WordCamps?

Though Yost is well-known within the WordPress area they just lately introduced their product into a completely new market, Shopify. This has led them to create a SaaS model of their search engine marketing resolution and has introduced them into contact with a totally new market. How has this transfer gone? And does it imply they’re shifting away from WordPress?

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I’m joined on the podcast right this moment by Marieke van de Rakt and Taco, go on.

[00:03:48] Taco Verdonschot: Verdonschot.

[00:03:49] Nathan Wrigley: I attempted that many, many occasions previously. How are you each doing?

[00:03:53] Taco Verdonschot: All good.

[00:03:53] Marieke van de Rakt: Yeah. Nice, nice, nice being again at an in-person occasion.

[00:03:57] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. What are your ideas about that. Genuinely, what are your ideas about being again in in-person occasions? As a result of I do know the Pavlovian response is, it’s nice to be again. I feel that, however is there any little bit of you, which is mmm?

[00:04:08] Marieke van de Rakt: I’ve a tough time recognizing folks as a result of it’s been two years. I see now that everyone has that drawback, so it’s like, I do know you I’ve danced with you. I don’t know who you’re.

[00:04:20] Taco Verdonschot: And particularly when persons are masked. You simply see the eyes and, and in the event that they like gained quite a lot of weight or turned a bit grayer like me. Or misplaced quite a lot of weight, there’s undoubtedly.

[00:04:33] Marieke van de Rakt: It’s tougher.

[00:04:34] Taco Verdonschot: It’s a change and with a masks on it’s so much tougher to acknowledge folks. So I’m actually pleased with the badges which have the names on either side. Which implies that it’s going to no less than at all times give a clue and never be turned the mistaken approach like typically occurs at WordCamps. Yeah.

[00:04:50] Marieke van de Rakt: So I feel it’s good being again, but it surely’s additionally, it’s totally different. It’s simply, it’s been some time seeing folks in such a approach. We’ve talked on-line, however that’s actually totally different.

[00:05:01] Nathan Wrigley: For me what’s unusual, and I do know that is gonna sound ridiculous, is that you’re not this massive and I’m making a gesture about six inches excessive, but additionally you each have complete our bodies. It’s not simply from the type of waist up. We’re on contributor right this moment, so mainly little or no has occurred to this point. However what are your expectations of this occasion? What does Yoast convey relating to an occasion like this? What are you hoping to do? Do you’ve gotten like a battle plan? Do you simply convey the entire crew and simply see the way it goes? I do know you’ve obtained sponsorships and plenty of issues like that. So inform us what your agenda is.

[00:05:32] Taco Verdonschot: We’re sponsoring, as you stated, and we introduced a pleasant sales space. There shall be actions, and naturally there shall be stroopwafels, a great deal of them. So guarantee that should you’re right here you don’t miss out.

[00:05:43] Nathan Wrigley: I’m gonna pause you there as a result of I don’t know what that’s.

[00:05:46] Marieke van de Rakt: You don’t know what stroopwafels are?

[00:05:49] Nathan Wrigley: No

[00:05:50] Marieke van de Rakt:You possibly can have like quite a lot of them as a result of we don’t convey them again anymore. Proper?

[00:05:52] Taco Verdonschot: Yeah. So stroopwafels are cookies, are waffles with type of a caramel in between. And they’re scrumptious. That’s that simply says it.

[00:06:04] Nathan Wrigley: Within the transient time that I’ve been across the auditorium, you win when it comes to t-shirt density.

[00:06:11] Marieke van de Rakt: I noticed the identical factor. I feel quite a lot of firms don’t give their staff, t-shirts to put on or totally different ones. We additionally, as a result of I’ve a brand new one truly Taco but it surely’s precisely the identical shade, so it matches.

[00:06:23] Nathan Wrigley: And there’s no person with the purple, so it genuinely stands out. But it surely additionally means, I feel, that you simply convey an enormous crew. Which additionally tells me that you simply’ve obtained an enormous crew. 140, one thing like that? And I used to be wanting earlier right this moment on the stats for contributions within the model 6.0 of WordPress. Automattic, at all times the massive circle after which there’s firms, that are vying for second, third. And it at all times looks as if Yoast is quantity two by a good distance. Is {that a} massive a part of the Yoast system? Do you encourage your crew to contribute and all of that?

[00:06:58] Taco Verdonschot: Yeah, so we now have a Core crew. That’s 4 folks working full time on WordPress Core. And that’s an enormous half. We additionally host inner contributor days. Nicely, truly we’ve opened them as much as the neighborhood. So everybody can be part of remotely, or on the workplace these days. One of many the reason why you’re seeing so most of the purple shirts right this moment is as a result of our complete crew is signed up for contributor day, and everyone seems to be contributing to WordPress right this moment. So most likely you’ll see extra manufacturers and, and extra colours tomorrow, however bringing folks to contributor day is unquestionably part of who we’re.

[00:07:35] Marieke van de Rakt: It’s what obtained us began. So we’re actually invested in making WordPress higher, as a result of that’s simply what we’ve been doing from even earlier than Yoast was an organization.

[00:07:44] Nathan Wrigley: It’s been an distinctive dedication although. It’s not an odd dedication.

[00:07:48] Marieke van de Rakt: I feel so, too. So I, I’m actually glad you’re saying that. We’ve an distinctive dedication to creating that higher. And I feel extra firms ought to observe that lead as a result of that approach we are able to actually make it higher collectively. So we are able to bitch with one another about what needs to be higher, or we are able to simply sit down and ensure the work will get completed.

[00:08:08] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. It’s been a busy couple of years for Yoast. Clearly there’s been the pandemic. Presumably you had to determine what the workplace seemed like or didn’t seem like and what zoom calls you have been gonna foist on folks and so forth and so forth. You talked about that you simply’re again to the workplace a bit. However aside from all of that, there’s been numerous personnel change, particularly just lately. Joost as in Joost, the person not the product, has modified roles. You’ve modified roles. Taco has obtained a brand new function. I noticed a photograph the opposite day with a number of individuals who’ve obtained new roles. Inform us a bit of bit about that. What introduced that about, after which possibly we’ll get into the acquisition piece.

[00:08:42] Marieke van de Rakt: Yeah. Nicely, as a result of that was the set off. I take into consideration a yr earlier than we had the acquisition, we began the method. I already knew that I wouldn’t need to be the CEO of the corporate anymore. I feel that function is absolutely, it’s a very heavy one, and it’s additionally a really public one, and it’s simply been robust. And COVID was robust. So, once we determined to promote, I already knew that I wouldn’t need to be the CEO of the corporate anymore, however I nonetheless wished to work there. However return to a task I had earlier than I used to be the CEO.

So I feel the acquisition obtained us all into that change course of. So the very first thing was that I introduced that I wasn’t going to be the CEO. Now, Joost is an advisor. Omar left. Our CTO, nicely, I simply texted him that I actually miss him. However I additionally perceive we’ve been doing this for fairly a while.

Joost himself obtained a bit bored, not with WordPress although, however with search engine marketing, and desires to do different issues as nicely. And is at present skilled quite a lot of FOMO he stated. However he’ll be right here tomorrow. So he’ll be on Friday. He stated to me, oh, you’re all contributing and I’m simply writing a weblog submit.

So, yeah, these issues modified, and I’m actually excited as a result of we, um, we now have room for brand new folks to develop since you might see Yoast as this massive previous oak, and that’s good and that’s stable. But it surely additionally takes away the solar for different bushes to develop. So now it’s the time for no less than inside Yoast, to have new expertise and new management.

[00:10:17] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. Okay, so simply sticking to the highest tier administration, simply run us by means of the adjustments. Who’s now in? Who’s obtained these key high tier jobs?

[00:10:25] Taco Verdonschot: So I feel that checklist ought to at all times begin with Thijs, our CEO. He took over that function from Marieke, I feel final yr, October.

[00:10:34] Marieke van de Rakt: Someplace like that.

[00:10:35] Taco Verdonschot: Round that point, after which as of April this yr we had the larger change, that we launched a seven folks management crew. In order that’s clearly Marieke as head of technique. That’s Chaya as chief operations officer.

[00:10:51] Marieke van de Rakt: She was already additionally within the previous board. She got here in COVID time. So that is her first WordCamp. She was with us for fairly a while.

[00:10:58] Taco Verdonschot: Yeah, after which there’s 4 new names, and that’s Irene on the R and D aspect. Inge on the advertising aspect. Herre for all of the technical stuff. And me as a head of relations.

[00:11:12] Marieke van de Rakt: And people 4 have been working with us for greater than 5 years. All of them. Yeah.

[00:11:16] Taco Verdonschot: Yeah. All of these.

[00:11:17] Nathan Wrigley: So if we rewind the clock about 5 years, it looks like no person was being acquired in WordPress. It was all very quiet. After which about 4 years in the past it started. After which two years in the past it was actually, there was a each day information cycle of any person’s been purchased within the WordPress area. And then you definitely got here in and I have to admit I observe the WordPress information fairly carefully. I didn’t see that one coming. Inform us how that took place. How far do we have to return earlier than the dates that it was introduced, when all of the negotiations began, and why you talked about that Yoast himself was getting a bit bored. However for different causes, I’m positive as nicely, why did that course of start? And the way lengthy was that course of?

[00:11:54] Marieke van de Rakt: So we talked to events earlier than simply since you get quite a lot of questions. So it’s not that we by no means considered a attainable acquisition or funding earlier than. However we’re completely bootstraped, and I feel Christmas 2020, so the primary COVID Christmas, that was when Joost and I made a decision we must always promote or get main funding. And the key purpose was that COVID obtained us scared. We have been doing nice but it surely was a lot work. We promote in {dollars}, so we become profitable in {dollars}, however all of our prices are in euros. And that makes you very weak for the alternate fee of the greenback.

And that’s one thing you’ll be able to’t management. And with 100, I don’t know 125 folks in your payroll, the duty was weighing closely on each of us, and that’s simply one thing that we didn’t need to do anymore. So then we employed, we employed a banker truly. Somebody who lets you promote your organization. And we’ve talked to quite a lot of, nicely, the standard suspects. Then determined finally to promote to Newfold.

[00:13:03] Nathan Wrigley: So what was it concerning the provide that they introduced, which stated, okay, that’s it, the inexperienced gentle over there. Was there one thing particularly? Have been there any purple traces that you simply introduced to them? Proper, this can not occur, if we’re gonna promote to anyone. Yeah, simply that sort of concept. What have been the issues that gave the inexperienced gentle to them and to not others?

[00:13:19] Marieke van de Rakt: So once we have been promoting, we considered three issues. We considered ourselves. What’s good for us. After which we considered what’s good for Yoast the corporate, and what’s good for WordPress. So we wouldn’t promote to an organization that will simply do issues that will be dangerous for WordPress. And we gained’t promote to an organization that will say you’ve gotten fireplace half of your workers or one thing like that. So can be good for our staff. It might be a very good match for WordPress. And I feel the provide of Newfold, Newfold wished to purchase us due to our commitments in WordPress.

So that they have been impressed with our WordPress Core crew. They wished to do extra in WordPress and, so them inquiring us was a part of their mission to indicate we love WordPress, which is the most effective purpose to purchase us, I feel. And I assumed their management was actually various. And I’ve talked to quite a lot of boards and so they’re principally male and white and a bit grey, and there’s nothing mistaken with folks which can be male and white and grey. But it surely’s good to see some range in that. Nicely Newfold Digital is led by a lady. I’m actually impressed by her. In order that was no less than, for me personally, an enormous purpose to decide on for them as nicely.

[00:14:33] Nathan Wrigley: It’s a reputation which doesn’t roll off the tongue. What I imply by that’s, you already know, all people’s heard of Yoast, all people’s heard of Automattic, however possibly not a lot Newfold Digital. Are you able to simply inform the listeners which bits of Newfold Digital could we now have heard of earlier than? As a result of I do know they’re an organization that are behind different firms.

[00:14:48] Marieke van de Rakt: They solely exist for like a yr and a half now and so they’ve been mixed. So the Endurance group, which Blue Host is the largest model. After which you’ve gotten the online dot com aspect, however that’s not a WordPress aspect. And people two firms have been mixed into Newfold Digital, and so they solely existed like a half yr after which they acquired Yoast. So it’s a very new model.

[00:15:09] Nathan Wrigley: When it comes to job stability and all of these sort of issues, you talked about that that was an essential half. How’s that going,? Have roles modified? Has the corporate nonetheless obtained the identical focus that it had a yr in the past? Nicely, let’s not say a yr, six months in the past, or have you ever seen any adjustments and I’m firing this one at Taco.

[00:15:27] Taco Verdonschot: So sure, there have been adjustments resulting from what we simply described in, in altering in management, however when it comes to route of the corporate, it’s not that Newfold is available in and says, Hey, it is advisable go left or it is advisable go proper. For precisely what Marieke simply informed, is that they purchased us for what we do and who we’re. That’s nonetheless true right this moment. So that they stored their phrase from that entire course of and are nonetheless supporting us in being Yoast and providing search engine marketing for everybody.

Have there been adjustments within the firm within the final six months? Sure, we, we’re slowly altering. The workforce panorama is altering, and we’re altering with it. However nothing pressured by the acquisition. This may’ve occurred anyway if we weren’t bought.

[00:16:14] Marieke van de Rakt: Ah, and no person left after the acquisition for a couple of months.

[00:16:17] Taco Verdonschot: No.

[00:16:18] Marieke van de Rakt: In order that wasn’t associated to that.

[00:16:20] Taco Verdonschot: Yeah.

[00:16:20] Marieke van de Rakt: I feel the largest change was simply that the workplace is opened up once more. And so every thing’s totally different.

[00:16:26] Nathan Wrigley: When it comes to how the corporate can behave, the influx of cash I presume, you talked about payroll and the way regarding that was. Does that sort of factor evaporate a bit of bit extra? Do it is advisable fear it a bit of bit much less about payroll, as a result of that’s now frightened about someplace additional up the meals chain?

[00:16:42] Marieke van de Rakt: For me that’s modified dramatically. So I used to have a look at the gross sales day-after-day. I feel Joost would have a look at it each hour, and see if it’s all going nicely and that modified, and that gave us quite a lot of… I used to be speaking to Joshua Strebel, who in fact additionally bought and to love, taking a coat off, that’s what it’s. It’s taking a coat off, and I nonetheless really feel an enormous duty of getting that firm with new management right into a steady, good new path, but it surely’s totally different.

[00:17:11] Taco Verdonschot: Yeah. The humorous factor is for me, it’s fairly the other.

[00:17:14] Marieke van de Rakt: Sure.

[00:17:14] Taco Verdonschot: As a result of earlier than, Marieke and the remainder of the board would take away all these monetary considerations from even the very best administration stage.

[00:17:25] Marieke van de Rakt: That wasn’t the most effective concept although.

[00:17:26] Taco Verdonschot: Yeah.

[00:17:26] Marieke van de Rakt: We did that. We by no means informed anyone about our monetary stress. We have been doing nice, however we have been experiencing, oh, we now have to develop, and…

[00:17:34] Taco Verdonschot: That was actually one thing that was stored away, and now with, my new function, I’m abruptly seeing all of the numbers and seeing what the numbers imply and the way they affect choices that we’re making within the firm and vice versa, how choices are influencing our, our income stream or our value. And that’s a complete new world. So, for me, I’m wanting extra at numbers and for you, it’s clearly with much less fear than earlier than. Yeah, we, we discovered widespread floor now.

[00:18:05] Nathan Wrigley: Two years in the past, or at any time when it was 2019, if we’d have had this identical interview, we might’ve been speaking about Yoast search engine marketing and nothing extra. However now we are able to speak about Shopify. That’s an enormous change. An enormous of a platform. Simply give us the idea behind why Shopify? Why not, I don’t know one thing else like Drupal, or another factor like Squarespace? Is that product receiving the identical care and a spotlight, let’s assume because the WordPress aspect? Do you’ve gotten any plans to enter different CMSs, possibly SaaS merchandise, like I stated, Wix and Squarespace and so forth.

You don’t must launch any of that helpful data should you don’t need to in fact. However inform us concerning the Shopify factor first. Whoever needs to take that.

[00:18:43] Marieke van de Rakt: We’ve a TYPO3 extension, in fact.

[00:18:45] Taco Verdonschot: Sure and Neos as nicely.

[00:18:47] Marieke van de Rakt: So we, we had some earlier than, however we, as a pact internally would say that we wouldn’t do any non open supply CMSs, however nonetheless we’re doing Shopify. So we made the choice, partly as a result of we wished to be much less depending on WordPress, as a result of though we love WordPress, it’s very scary should you wager all of your cash on one factor. So it may very well be a clever enterprise resolution to enter Shopify.

They requested us to return. So Shopify wished to enhance their search engine marketing in order that they labored along with us. They requested us are you able to construct Yoast search engine marketing for Shopify? In order that was an enormous purpose, and their core values are fairly aligned with us. In order that was the factor. Okay, we’re going to let go of the open supply half as a result of they’re actually for the small companies.

So it’s both Amazon as a result of that’s how folks promote, however no less than on Shopify, you’ve gotten your personal web site, your personal retailer, and that’s actually essential. In order that’s why I feel why we determined Shopify.

[00:19:44] Taco Verdonschot: And I feel it’s the shut supply system or SaaS that comes closest to the open supply mindset, as a result of it actually helps the small companies, and you may get began tremendous simply on Shopify and anybody and everybody can begin a store. And that’s totally different for lots of different techniques.

[00:20:06] Marieke van de Rakt: And it’s rising like loopy. So it’s additionally a very good enterprise alternative.

[00:20:10] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah I’ve no perception into how that’s going. So it’s rising.

[00:20:15] Marieke van de Rakt: Sure.

[00:20:16] Nathan Wrigley: Are you rising with it? Is it taking you alongside for the journey? Principally, has it been a very good transfer?

[00:20:18] Marieke van de Rakt: Nicely, We’ve constructed the factor ourselves, which is quite a lot of work as a result of Shopify isn’t WordPress. we’ve launched it. We had a profitable launch, however we’re not as well-known within the Shopify world but. So we’re rising regularly and that appears like dangerous information, however I really like that as a result of that’s what we need to do.

It’s a lot enjoyable. We’re celebrating each 5 star assessment we get. So we now have a devoted Shopify crew and so they’re so excited to get folks to love our product, however Shopify simply works a bit of otherwise and you’ll’t paste your WordPress product over it. So we’re tweaking it and it will get higher day-after-day.

[00:20:55] Taco Verdonschot: Each single day. So the advantage of our Shopify app is that it absolutely is a SaaS which signifies that weren’t sure to releases that individuals then have to put in. And if we determine to push one thing, it’s stay proper now. That’s a really massive distinction in comparison with WordPress, the place you’re counting on folks to put in your updates and to really preserve their website updated, et cetera. So it’s a very totally different approach of growing.

[00:21:25] Marieke van de Rakt: Yeah.

[00:21:26] Nathan Wrigley: Marika. You’ve obtained a, I used to be gonna say a chat, but it surely’s not. You’ve obtained a panel. Simply inform us what this panel’s about.

[00:21:31] Marieke van de Rakt: This panel is about acquisitions and WordPress. I’m simply going to take a seat there and in the event that they ask me a query then they’ll reply. I feel lots of people need to know, the ins and outs of what occurs and what does this imply for WordPress?

[00:21:43] Nathan Wrigley: search engine marketing typically. What’s going on sooner or later? I’ve been seeing quite a bit popping out of the Google verse. Terrible lot of individuals speaking about issues like AI content material and whether or not or not that’s gonna be squashed. What will we have to be aware of within the subsequent 12 months when it comes to search engine marketing?

[00:21:58] Marieke van de Rakt: I feel the primary factor Google does is eager to current the most effective end result to the consumer. So should you’re steady in search engine marketing and simply create good content material, AI or not AI as a result of it simply needs to be good. And there are actually good AI instruments on the market, but it surely needs to be one thing your reader will need to learn.

And never simply one thing you, no person needs to learn. That’s not serving anybody. That’s the factor it is advisable do. However on the identical time on the technical aspect, we’re actually taking a look at what Google is doing. So then it is advisable simply set up Yoast search engine marketing, as a result of we’ll ensure that to get the newest technical stuff in there. So the best way Google crawls and stuff, we’re actually aware of that. However I feel a standard consumer wouldn’t be capable of adapt that in an internet site settings.

[00:22:42] Nathan Wrigley: I’ve this concern that we’re gonna be creating content material with AI, which is then in flip, the only function of that’s to be consumed by Google’s AI. And it’s like this cyclical impact the place…

[00:22:55] Marieke van de Rakt: However then you definitely’re doing it mistaken approach since you ought to at all times create content material for a consumer. Yeah. And I’m a author. So I’m not significantly fan of AI created content material, however I’ve to be sincere, typically it’s fairly good. But it surely needs to be unique content material.

So, you need to no less than insert sufficient data in your AI that it’s an unique thought, as a result of a man-made intelligence can by no means give you one thing new. It’s at all times one thing that’s already on the market. So be sure to write one thing that individuals need to learn. That’s the one recommendation that I can provide you. Possibly Google gained’t be the one search engine on the market.

There are every kind of rumors that Apple is doing stuff and rolling out his personal search engine. I don’t know if it’s true, however that’s one thing that might occur as nicely. Google doesn’t must be the one, Yoast search engine marketing isn’t the one search engine marketing plugin. Google doesn’t must essentially be the one search engine.

[00:23:50] Nathan Wrigley: Is that what you focus most of your vitality although, as a result of presumably if there may be an Apple search engine marketing search web page, your work then type of doubles since you’ve obtained to try to work out their algorithm in addition to the Google algorithm.

[00:24:02] Marieke van de Rakt: They’re most likely doing the identical factor. It’s the identical with Bing and…

[00:24:05] Taco Verdonschot: Yeah, ultimately they’ve the identical aim. They need to reply a consumer’s query. So with a purpose to try this, you want that good content material. If you wish to rank first, it is advisable be the most effective end result. That’s mainly it. No matter which search engine you utilize to search out that.

[00:24:23] Marieke van de Rakt: Wouldn’t or not it’s enjoyable although? I might get excited once more with search engine marketing, if there can be a distinct type. Possibly a privateness extra minded type, as a result of that will be superior.

[00:24:32] Nathan Wrigley: Have you ever heard of a search engine referred to as Kagi? Ok A G I.

[00:24:36] Marieke van de Rakt: I haven’t.

[00:24:38] Nathan Wrigley: Do you bear in mind ManageWP? It’s created by him. It’s in beta solely in the meanwhile. And it’s gonna be a paid for search engine and also you’ll pay them 100 {dollars} a yr, one thing alongside these traces, for no monitoring. So the gamble is that you simply pay. It’s truly actually attention-grabbing. Ok A G I.

Yeah. So what are you gonna do over the following couple of days, the pair of you? What are you hoping to get out of this particular occasion? Who’re you gonna go and see? What issues are you enthusiastic about?

[00:25:03] Taco Verdonschot: So we made an amazing begin yesterday night. There was a celebration by Pagely, and it was on a, on a ship, with so many individuals and quite a lot of acquainted faces that we hadn’t seen in three years. And that’s going to proceed as a result of over the course of this occasion, we’ll see our previous buddies and meet quite a lot of new buddies.

[00:25:23] Marieke van de Rakt: Attention-grabbing conversations with attainable companions. It’s thrilling to fulfill our Bluehost new colleagues and our Yith colleagues who’re all a part of the Newfold household, in order that’s one thing I’m wanting ahead to as nicely.

And I’m wanting ahead to speaking to precise prospects as a result of I take advantage of WordCamps to speak to prospects and ask them why they like our product and what they dislike. And, nicely, I haven’t completed that for ages, so solely with folks in our local people.

[00:25:51] Nathan Wrigley: I’ve obtained a sense I do know what the reply to this query is. In 2023 WordCamp Europe, wherever which may be, will you be again?

[00:25:57] Taco Verdonschot: Sure.

[00:25:58] Marieke van de Rakt: Sure.

[00:25:59] Nathan Wrigley: Taco, Marieke, thanks for speaking to me right this moment.

[00:26:01] Taco Verdonschot: Thanks a lot for us.

[00:26:03] Marieke van de Rakt: Thanks.