#38 – Paul Bearne on How Working With WordPress Allows for Different Lifestyles – WP Tavern

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So on the podcast right now now we have Paul Bearne. Paul is a WordPress fanatic who likes to provide you with methods to make WordPress do issues it doesn’t usually do. Having engaged with WordPress nearly from the beginning, he specializes within the creation of extremely performant, scalable, accessible, and web optimization pleasant code.

He has contributed persistently to WordPress Core since model 3.9, in addition to organising an area meetup and talking at WordCamps. He’s at present being sponsored by XWP to work on Core as a part of their Core initiatives.

Within the podcast right now, Paul talks concerning the some ways during which it’s doable to work inside the WordPress ecosystem. He’s tried lots of them out through the years.

Most of the jobs in and across the WordPress area require only some issues, entry to energy and web, and a pc. The geographical constraints for work are sometimes non-existent. You probably have the abilities, can get on-line and put within the hours, then you definately is likely to be good to go. The pandemic introduced this distributed working mannequin to the plenty as an increasing number of organizations realized the advantages that working on this method affords.

Paul talks by a few of the alternative ways that you would be able to work and attracts out the advantages and disadvantages that they’ve. How will you discover the work and what are you able to do to be sure that it’s a secure as it may be?

For those who’re already a distant employee, a lot of this dialog will resonate with you. However for those who’re not, however are interested in your choices, this podcast might be of curiosity.

Usually after we file the podcast, there’s not a variety of background noise, however that’s not at all times the case with these WordCamp Europe interviews. We have been competing in opposition to crowds and the air-con. On this episode each Paul and I wore face masks, which you too can detect. While the podcasts are greater than listenable. I hope that you simply perceive that the vagaries of the actual world have been at play.

For those who’re excited by discovering out extra, you will discover all of the hyperlinks within the present notes by heading over to WPTavern dot com ahead slash podcast, the place you’ll discover all the opposite episodes as nicely. And so with out additional delay, I carry you Paul Bearne.

I’m joined on the podcast right now by Paul Bearne. How are you doing?

[00:03:52] Paul Bearne: Thanks. All proper. It’s been a busy WordCamp, and toes haven’t touched the bottom, however yeah, it’s good to be right here.

[00:04:00] Nathan Wrigley: What have you ever primarily been doing during the last couple, nicely, I say a few days, perhaps you weren’t right here for contrib day.

[00:04:04] Paul Bearne: I used to be right here for contrib day, as a result of I’m a core contributor. I’ve been engaged on the efficiency plugin. I’m fortunate to be sponsored by XWP to work on core initiatives. And we’ve been specializing in the efficiency enhancements. So within the final launch, we obtained 5 queries out of an ordinary homepage load. You think about what that’s accomplished to 1,000,000 websites. And the efficiency add-on, I’ve been engaged on the dominant shade characteristic, which is coming within the subsequent block.

That’s gonna be attention-grabbing to see the response of that in the neighborhood as that comes out. Trigger that’s a visible change. And the WebP stuff. So I’ve been working, busy doing that, in addition to working my very own premium plugin, enterprise. And it’s very nice to have the ability to work part-time for one of many large companies.

[00:04:48] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah, we’ll come onto that in a minute. You’ve obtained a chat right here although, which sort of anchors us to what we’re gonna discuss. How did it go?

[00:04:55] Paul Bearne: I believe it was nicely acquired. Lots of people mentioned it was actually good worth for them. Yeah, I believe it went down very well.

[00:05:03] Nathan Wrigley: Simply broadly define what the subject was that you simply coated.

[00:05:05] Paul Bearne: It’s a way of life discuss. mainly making an attempt to increase and provides folks confidence that they’ll create a way of life, no matter way of life they need with WordPress. , whether or not they need to be a digital nomad whether or not they need to dwell within the countryside or dwell within the middle of a metropolis. There may be employment obtainable in all of these locations. And it is advisable to take a look at your self, see what your strengths and weaknesses are.

Are you a metropolis or a rustic individual? Are you self-directed or do it is advisable to be managed? What’s your timekeeping like? Are you able to do gross sales? Are you able to do administration of doing invoices and tax returns and issues like that? Trigger for those who can’t, you may’t be freelance, or not, not simply.

I’m fortunate that my spouse is sweet on the kind of administration stuff. So I’ve been in a position to do extra freelance work than actually I ought to have the ability to. However now my life’s modified a little bit bit and having been in a position to work full time or be paid by XWP to work on core, which is sort of a dream job for me. It reduces the quantity of administration my spouse has to do, and I haven’t gotta go chasing freelance work. It’s coming to me. The work is being discovered for me, and it’s attention-grabbing work. You possibly can create no matter life you need. There’s a distinct segment in WordPress.

[00:06:29] Nathan Wrigley: Presumably, if that’s the case that you simply’ve been by an entire cycle of various kinds of work, perhaps you’re employed for an company and a…

[00:06:37] Paul Bearne: I went by the assorted kinds of companies. We checked out multinationals, we checked out small companies, large companies, authorities digital companies, media firms, excessive finish design companies within the middle of cities, after which the distributed companies, and touched a little bit bit on what it’s prefer to have a plugin, a premium plugin. What it’s prefer to be as a contract individual, as a result of I’ve accomplished all of these in my profession. So I used to be in a position to give some, hopefully some perception to what it’s love to do these. And what’s the pitfalls and the bonuses of working in these completely different environments.

Second half the discuss I attempted to present some profession recommendation and a few, you already know, you are able to do this. That is gotta get observed. How do you stand out within the crowd? How do you value your self as a contract individual, and some issues like that. Attempt to set some cheap expectations of what the market, what it is advisable to cost to really be viable.

[00:07:33] Nathan Wrigley: For those who look again in your life was it a collection of making an attempt issues out after which finally dissatisfaction with the best way that you simply have been working after which attempt one thing new? Ultimately discover that that was not passable and check out one thing else and finally the place you are actually. And it seems like at this time limit, you’re actually proud of the place you’re at.

[00:07:51] Paul Bearne: Sure, after all you must take what comes. I talked in my discuss, particulars are okay. The trick is to fail quick and be taught. So for those who get right into a scenario the place it isn’t proper, don’t cling round. There may be heaps and many good freelance or good WordPress work on the market, or simply growth work. You don’t should put up with dangerous environments, horrible bosses, silly hours. Not until you might be getting a reward.

And for those who’re, in case you are in a excessive finish design company, it’s a younger sport, and the burnout is sort of excessive however they’re gonna pay you a little bit bit extra. You’re gonna be engaged on actually vanguard work. So that you’ll put up with the hours. And also you’ll be completely happy to exit and socialize with the group after work, as a result of that’s a part of the tradition. But when that’s not what you need then there’s different decisions.

Perhaps that’s a teen’s sport and then you definately mature right into a slower company, an area company, or a distributed company, otherwise you go freelance. You get just a few purchasers and also you run freelance. Or perhaps you do partly your individual freelance or partly on the freelance platforms like Codeable, and you’re employed that method.

[00:09:13] Nathan Wrigley: I do know that you simply mentioned that failing quick is a fascinating solution to go about it. And I can see what you’re saying there in, within the sense that you simply’ve obtained a shortly work out that this isn’t working, as a result of then it is advisable to shortly discover one thing which is working. Presumably there’s gonna be a raft of individuals, anyone listening to this, there is likely to be a load of individuals saying, yeah, that’s okay Paul, however I’ve already obtained the mortgage, and I’m dwelling hand to mouth, month to month. And I assume that performs in a little bit bit. You’ve gotta be a bit conservative in some regard.

[00:09:40] Paul Bearne: Sure after all. Okay, so there’s quite a lot of situations which might be on the market. So say you might be working for a small company serving the local people, which I believe is the onerous finish of the enterprise. As a result of you must be a Jack of all trades. you must do no matter work the company finds, yeah. There’s no actual selecting, you already know, they ain’t fussy about what jobs they tackle, and so they’re gonna be small and bitty, and never spectacular. However you need to escape from that.

So that you’ve obtained issues like, you would go freelance or semi freelance with the platforms. Codeable platforms, discovering new work. However for those who go freelance, you’ve gotta have the funds for to pay for a laptop computer and have an area to work. You possibly can’t do long run freelance from a espresso store.

So there’s a little little bit of a, you already know, are you able to truly even afford to do freelance, to begin up? As a result of a contemporary Mac isn’t low-cost, or perhaps a fashionable good laptop computer isn’t low-cost, PC laptop computer. In order that’s the dilemma and I perceive that dilemma, However there are decisions. The quantity of stuff that’s distant, you already know, take a look at a distant company.

If you’re competent as a WordPress developer, you could be employed by a distant company very quickly. They’re in search of people who find themselves ready to work, and so they’re extra within the perspective than your talent set. If you’re, can get work accomplished, they’ll rent you. And if it is advisable to practice up for a specific kind of part of talent, to be taught a bit extra efficiency, it is advisable to be taught a bit extra Gutenberg or regardless of the taste is. Yhey’ll practice you. The nice ones will. So that you don’t want to remain the place you might be. There are alternatives.

[00:11:22] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. It’s attention-grabbing that you simply say that, you talked about competence. I used to be sort of assuming that the competence would come earlier than the perspective, however you’re saying it’s the opposite method round. Searching for folks with a sure method to work, who they’ll then up talent.

[00:11:33] Paul Bearne: I’ve employed folks. I’ve employed college students for yr placements. I’ve employed folks to work as colleagues. And once I do interview questions, I’ll begin taking place a technical tree someplace. Trigger I’m a geek. And I’ll maintain taking place a rabbit gap till they don’t know the reply. After which I clarify the reply to them and I need to see a lightweight bulb go off of their head. Oh, sure that is smart. I perceive what that was. And that’s what I’m in search of.

Trigger I can practice that individual. I can train them. They are going to be taught. Trigger as an internet developer, I’ll by no means, ever end studying. Each time I open up a bit of code I’ll be taught one thing. One of many issues I do in Core is I write unit exams and so I’m features that I’ve by no means seen earlier than. I be taught what the Core of WordPress does, operate by operate. And there’s stuff in there that I, say, whoa, that’s attention-grabbing. Oh, that’s intelligent how they did that. So that you by no means cease studying. And for those who cease studying, particularly for those who cease studying in some surroundings, time to go.

[00:12:42] Nathan Wrigley: There have to be drawbacks and there have to be advantages to this entire method. Let’s go along with the nice first. And which may be the time of day that you would be able to work, the amount of cash that you would be able to earn, the situation that you would be able to put your self in and so forth. Over the course of the years that you simply’ve been altering issues up, what have been a few of the issues that you simply’ve seemed again and thought, uh, that facet of that job was actually good. And that facet of that job was actually good. Mainly. What are the advantages of turning into a freelancer, I assume?

[00:13:05] Paul Bearne: You get to be your individual boss and get to choose the purchasers and the work. You must decide the purchasers and the work. Don’t take the whole lot that comes at you, as a result of it is advisable to decide work that you’re an experience in. As a result of in case you are doing stuff the place you might be an professional, you may cost extra.

The draw back is you gotta discover it. It tends to be feast and famine in freelance. You’ve obtained an excessive amount of work after which there’s no work. So that you’re confused as a result of you may’t get the work accomplished. And then you definately’re confused since you’re in search of work, as a result of you don’t have anything. In order that is likely one of the main dilemmas of freelance. However you must earn extra.

In my discuss, I talked about, for those who count on your hourly wage to be say $60 an hour, speaking common forex of {dollars}, the freelance price minimal is 120, 150 might be good. That’s actually what we’re aiming for. As a result of for those who don’t cost sufficient, two issues will occur. You’ll not be valued by your shopper, as a result of, they’re low-cost, they’ll’t be any good. And also you’ll get crap work. I’ve a line in my slides, famous person costs get famous person contracts.

You get higher work for those who cost extra. It’s not a case of extra work, higher work. Higher work pays higher. You possibly can have a greater way of life since you’re not working 14 hours a day. You’re working 5 hours a day to get that contract accomplished. And also you’ve obtained three hours to do your administration and search for your subsequent contract.

[00:14:44] Nathan Wrigley: So the flexibleness’s there. You talked about the draw back of the truth that you’ve gotta create that work or by some means have it created for you. Every other downsides that you simply’ve found out through the years?

[00:14:55] Paul Bearne: Freelancing could be lonely since you are one per, one individual store, successfully. You’ll want to work at that not being an issue. So in case you are in a, an affordable metropolitan space, search for meetups, peer teams. Come to conferences. Keep in mind, you gotta pay for them and also you gotta handle the day without work for that. Your purchasers aren’t paying you whilst you’re away. Your organization doesn’t earn. So that you gotta price range for that.

[00:15:20] Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. There could also be different further issues, you already know, like pension and healthcare and…

[00:15:24] Paul Bearne: You received’t have any healthcare cowl. You might be able to insure your self, however you’re taking the danger on your self. Pensions, for those who’re charging correctly, you may push cash into your pension, since you’ve obtained spare money coming in. You’re money wealthy since you’re charging correctly.

[00:15:39] Nathan Wrigley: Do it is advisable to be extra self-disciplined? In different phrases, for those who’re turning as much as an company at 9 within the morning and also you’re leaving at 5 and the work is handed out on plate and also you’ve obtained briefings within the morning after which the briefings and blah, blah, blah. With this, you’ve gotta be a Jack of all trades a bit, however you’ve gotta be aware that, you already know, you, aren’t simply sitting down having a espresso in entrance of the tv, letting the work drift and drift and drift.

[00:16:02] Paul Bearne: Yeah, I’ve a good friend in Canada he’s freelance enterprise let’s assume suffered? He let purchasers down badly. I picked a few purchasers up. He noticed that I used to be linked to him on LinkedIn. They have been chasing him and he was simply obtained quiet on them. Awkward scenario. I used to be in a position to decide some purchasers up as a result of he wasn’t delivering. So that you do have to have self self-discipline to be a freelancer.

For those who’re not, then take a look at the opposite decisions. If you wish to be distant, take a look at what are the distant companies, and so they’ll do it. If you wish to be in an workplace, are you in comparison with journey into the town middle? Then search for one of many large design homes in metropolis middle. If you’re up for the tempo. If not, perhaps there’s an area company who’s servicing the local people, that feels best for you. As a result of they are usually good and pleasant and household like, yeah, they’re cozy. However the work received’t be stellarly attention-grabbing.

[00:17:00] Nathan Wrigley: I assume you’ve gotta be a bit, not simply disciplined, you’ve gotta be self-motivated as nicely. You’ve obtained to be the sort of individual that may incentivize themselves, as a result of for those who’re working for the person, because it have been…

[00:17:10] Paul Bearne: Who will drive the path and push you ahead. Being self-aware of the place your strengths are, is an important factor you may purchase. If you will get that self-awareness and be trustworthy to your self about the place you might be, what kind of character you might be. You might have to work for anyone, in an effort to truly get something accomplished, and that’s not incorrect. In truth, being trustworthy about that could be a actually highly effective factor, and it makes your life much less worrying.

After I labored for company in multinationals, it was a doddle. 9 to 5, ate within the canteen, countless espresso provide, initiatives took perpetually. Draw back is our server was IIS, yeah. However once I needed to go to the US I needed to fly enterprise class, you already know. There are professionals and cons to all environments,

[00:18:11] Nathan Wrigley: The WordPress ecosystem, clearly you might be into the code, however you solely have to have a look at the speeches which might be on this weekend, and the displays which might be on to comprehend that code is a tiny fraction of the WordPress ecosystem. We’ve obtained web optimization consultants, and we’ve obtained copywriters and so forth and so forth.

Did you ever stray into a distinct territory or have you ever at all times been code on a regular basis and subsequently kind of rising your portfolio and your CV, for those who like, one job after the opposite.

[00:18:35] Paul Bearne: I truly for some time ran social media for company. I obtained there as a result of I noticed that we would have liked to personal the model names and I stepped forward above the parapet and mentioned, oy, Mr. CTO, we have to personal these. Shall I’m going and get them? Had a enjoyable story round company identify altering, however, I went out and registered all of the, the company manufacturers. And for 4 years, earlier than marketed caught up with me, I used to be the proprietor and entry gatekeeper to all of their social media accounts.

We now have wandered round a little bit bit however I’m primarily a coder. That’s the place my energy is. I perceive by energy. That’s why I didn’t keep in social media. I’m not a author, I’m not a content material individual. And in order that’s a part of me understanding my strengths and weaknesses.

[00:19:29] Nathan Wrigley: I sort of marvel if individuals who could also be listening to this who determine, truly, I simply wanna throw all of the playing cards up within the air and see the place they land. In different phrases, I simply wanna attempt one thing new and the whole lot that you simply’ve described thus far suits that image actually properly, you already know?

[00:19:43] Paul Bearne: Yeah.

[00:19:43] Nathan Wrigley: All of this could work in, nicely, just about any business I’m imagining.

[00:19:46] Paul Bearne: Yep, and detours are okay. Throw your ears up. You hear a sniff of one thing. Go knock on the door. Take a look in. Go and discuss to folks there. Go on interviews. I really like interviews. I’d nearly do it as a interest, go on interviews. Go and see what they’re doing. And if it feels proper, go and be part of them. For those who don’t ask the query, it’s unimaginable for somebody to say sure.

They could should say no, however folks truly like saying sure. So go look. Take a Friday afternoon off and go for an interview someplace. For those who simply chalk it up as interview follow, you aren’t that critical. You get to look behind the scenes a little bit bit. You get some reference factors about what an alternate life would appear to be. Take into consideration transferring to the countryside. Take into consideration transferring to the town transferring to a different nation.

You possibly can go and go to them. I emigrated from the UK to Canada in my fifties. I visited Canada a few instances, discovered I preferred it after which went by the immigration course of. Uh, it took a few years to try this, however you get there.

[00:21:04] Nathan Wrigley: You talked about earlier about, nicely you mentioned the phrases feast and famine or one thing To that regard, and I’m simply questioning, okay, so I’m not speaking concerning the cash the place the cash could go up and the cash could I’m going down? I’m speaking extra concerning the pipeline of labor. Have you ever ever struggled with that? Have you ever ever had intervals the place, there actually is nothing on the horizon. What have I accomplished?

[00:21:24] Paul Bearne: Oh completely and my resolution the truth is is to make use of Codeable. After I was freelancing, I used to be a member of Codeable from nearly day one, very early joined there, and I’ve by no means accomplished it as my full time gig. Now there are individuals who all of the work comes by Codeable, however I’ve used it as my again fill. At any time when I’m a little bit bit in need of work, I’ll go on a Codeable. I’ll bid for one of many contracts. Discover a contract, get a contract after which try this challenge, as a result of they’ve obtained a lot work there.

You might go and decide a contract up actually simply. And you would discover one that matches your talent set and your data base. Yeah, so I’m an professional in kind of job boards and issues like that. So I’d at all times go and search for one thing in that area, as a result of I can present expertise and data in that area, and it turns into simple for me to finish the duty.

[00:22:14] Nathan Wrigley: So you might be sort of working these two issues, not fairly in parallel, however they occur concurrently. However you’ve obtained your work, which is the specified consequence, the stuff that you simply’ve put in place for your self.

[00:22:25] Paul Bearne: I’ll get extra earnings from that.

[00:22:26] Nathan Wrigley: After which the Codeable is when the gaps seem.

[00:22:29] Paul Bearne: Yeah. When the gaps backfill. If I’m quick off work, I’ve obtained nothing to do for the tip of the week I’ve obtained 4 hours. I can discover a job on Codeable. Or I’ve obtained two days of spare capability. As a result of everyone desires it accomplished now on Codeable, sensible. Rock up, log in. Go and see what the present checklist of open jobs are. Discover a job that’s in your area that you would be able to current worth to. Don’t simply go and do something. After which go and repair that drawback for that shopper.

And I’ve had repeating purchasers who’ve saved, successfully turn out to be a part of my freelance secure, nonetheless by Codeable, I’ve accomplished ongoing contracts with them. So it really works very well. And the Codeable guys are actually, very nice. they’ve a stunning lively Slack channel. They do common meets and coaching. They nearly really feel like a distributed company. That hybrid area. And that everyone there’s competent WordPress designer, editor content material, it’s not simply code at Codeable. Keep in mind that, so there’s different expertise that would, folks will rent you for there.

[00:23:39] Nathan Wrigley: Would you subsequently counsel that’s probably an excellent place for anyone to only start? In the event that they’re tentative and so they’re you already know, they may slot a little bit of that into their weekend with their common job.

[00:23:48] Paul Bearne: They’ve obtained a daily 9 to 5 job and so they need to begin studying, performing some freelance, it’s a very good place for them to get their toes moist, a little bit bit. In a really protected surroundings. Trigger the cash’s being collected by Codeable. It’s within the escrow. So you already know you’re gonna receives a commission. If there’s an issue with the shopper the workers will wade in, and so they’ll provide help to out. And for those who get actually, actually caught you may attain out to workers and so they’ll discover one of many different consultants to come back and provide help to. And for those who get an issue, you would ping the Slack channel, say, how do I do that? And one of many different consultants will wade in and provide help to. Very pleasant.

[00:24:29] Nathan Wrigley: Is it troublesome to distinguish your self, to make your self stand out? It’s simply you pitching for work. Presumably on Codeable you’ve obtained a set variety of fields that you simply’ve gotta fill out to display how good you might be at a sure factor. And, and everyone else has obtained those self same set of fields and…

[00:24:43] Paul Bearne: Yeah, yeah it’s barely troublesome. They’re fairly good about saying not more than 5 consultants ought to reply to a shopper’s inquiry. So that you don’t get thousands and thousands of individuals making an attempt to bid for piece of labor. They usually don’t do the bottom value wins. They common out the worth bids. Somebody places a, a thousand {dollars} in for a challenge and another person places in 800, the shopper’s gonna get instructed 900. They take a fee off the highest, or they add a fee on high of that value and so they cost the shopper to that. And then you definately get your cash out in USD.

[00:25:20] Nathan Wrigley: One of many issues that at all times attracted me, however I by no means managed to sort of make the leap, was this concept of being a digital nomad. So the whole lot that you simply’ve simply talked about, all of those rungs on the ladder of easy methods to get work and easy methods to handle your relationship with purchasers and construct up your portfolio and all of that, all of that’s occurred. And then you definately simply don’t dwell in the identical place for any nice size of time. You flit about. You’ve kind of accomplished that, you’ve moved a rustic. Are you aware any individuals who try this?

[00:25:45] Paul Bearne: I’ve an excellent handful of pals who try this. Inside XWP, I believe have in all probability 20 or 30 people who find themselves digital nomads inside the firm. I don’t assume Codeable folks have a tendency to try this as a lot, as a result of the infrastructure stuff that it is advisable to do along with charging and billing and issues like that, turns into troublesome as you flip across the countryside and do stuff. Freelance folks have a tendency to rent native freelancers a little bit bit, so it tends to lock you into a rustic. And for those who abruptly transfer, there’s some dynamics there.

My advice, for those who wanna do correct nomad work, go and discuss to one of many distributed companies, you already know, Human Made, 10up, XWP, you already know, that stage of firm. Particularly in case you are expert as a WordPress developer. All of these are actively in search of folks. I’ll personally suggest XWP. I do work there, however I’ve additionally labored at just a few of the others.

They’ve obtained it proper. They’ve discovered through the years easy methods to do distant internet growth and handle the tradition and the group so nicely. And it’s artwork, and I believe they’ve nailed it as a result of they’re based mostly in Australia, you already know, the company HQ is over there. So all the European workers they’ve obtained right here, they’ve obtained 60 folks at this WordCamp or one thing. They’re all of distant. There’s solely about two or three have flown all the best way over for Australia. And so, as a result of they’ve accomplished it, it simply, they simply nailed it.

[00:27:22] Nathan Wrigley: Ultimate query, did you ever, do you ever, kind of pinch your self and mirror on how extremely fortunate you might be? I say you, you, as in, all of the individuals who have careers in the identical method that you simply do.

[00:27:38] Paul Bearne: Hey, I’m a man who began as a tea boy on a constructing website, my first job. I now have a home on a lake with a motor boat tied up on the backside. I’d by no means have dreamt of that once I was a younger lad. You actually now this present day can work from wherever. And as you already know, Starlink and issues like which might be coming on-line, you actually can exit into the sticks and work from wherever.

Anyplace you will get respectable web is now honest sport as a location to do internet growth work and design work and different companies. I’m a developer, so I are likely to assume developer first, however there’s PMs, there’s gross sales, there’s HR, there’s advertising and marketing, there’s video manufacturing, there’s design, there’s content material writing. All of these could be accomplished distant.

Except you might be bodily manufacturing one thing, and even a few of that may be accomplished distant in small batches now. Something on this kind of digital area could be distant and sometimes higher accomplished that method. Except you actually doing excessive cycle stuff, I believe distant is the best way to go.

[00:28:55] Nathan Wrigley: Paul Bearne, thanks for chatting to me right now.

[00:28:58] Paul Bearne: My pleasure.